Invasion of one privacy no matter by whom is an idiotic act. Violated the rule of engagement during courting and spread the intimate moment to public is ungentlemanly behaviour.
My heart is with Elizabeth Wong, a lady I am proud to call a friend. A lady whom I would welcome to the warmness hospitality by my family anytime at all.
I have only good thing to talk of Lizzie.
If I can stand by ‘Viagra’ Chua during his forced “public demonstration”
of a healthy Health Minister, why cannot I do the same with my fellow lady friend?
Although I did not agree with Viagra Chua forced resignation but the incident have put much dignity to the whole episode. Chua Soi Lek is the man. He had took it with guts. For a moment, he had single-handed put back the much lacking dignity into our national politic.
Nevertheless, Chua’s episode is a totally different story from Lizzie.
As I haven’t seen both, Chua’s performance and Lizzie’s act, nothing much to state about my reaction to their involvement. However, both happen not while being in the company of the person they have taken their vow. While Chua is married, Lizzie is not.
Religiously I do not think their religion condone their action although culturally it may have been acceptable.
While Chua did reached the seventh heaven at some point of his performance, Lizzie meanwhile was deep in ‘Taiwan’ enjoying her sleep. Nevertheless, unless the person who captured the digital photos breaks into the room without Lizzie’s permission, she actually do play some part in taking such risk.
But again, as a wise lady, Lizzie does know the risk well. I shall not speculate about her relationship with the person, but again, having said that, the person has no right at all to violate and then distribute the moment he captures.
While maybe the country is searching high and low for a glimpse of Lizzie’s skin, the political arena is searching for an action.
My personal opinion is Lizzie should go. At least let go of the State Executive Councillor position. The question of morale cannot be let hanging at the entrance of door.
Nevertheless, the most ideal way is for Lizzie to look deep into her and ask the question whether she can continue to perform under current situation. Next will be whether her colleagues will not be affected by the current expose and third, how the situation is taken by her constituents
Lizzie cannot afford to be self-thinking. As a representative, she should base her decision on those who she represents.
As a politician, Lizzie lost her right to decide for her future, her priority now is to decide for the future of her political party, their partners and their supporters.
Yet, Lizzie should not lose herself. She should be the Eli we knew. Nothing change and for that, my family and I would welcome her anytime into our privacy.
DEAR SHEIKH, I DO AGREE WITH YOU SIR, DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE…
PKR IS BUSTED!!!
I do not agree that she should go.
What has she done wrong? cheated on her husband? cheated on her rakyat? her country? Her morality does not even come to question. Perhaps bad judgement on the guy she trusted.
She should continue to stay on and fight the good fight..serve the people well.
bro, mu patut kembali buat filem dengan segera, pasti box office punya, Bro Chua dengan kau punyai Lizzie ni boleh jadi pelakon utama………………………….
aku tengah mikir juga, macam mana bekas teman lelaki dia boleh masuk rumah kalau tidak diundang…………….
Masa sama kat mana teman dia tidur selepas ambil gambar kalau Eli dah tidur ……………….
Tak kan tido sesaje kut………………………….
tapi aku rasa apa pun yang berlaku tak jadi masalah sebab Tok Guru Nik Azit kata itu hak personal dan peribadi……….
tapi lu pikir lah sendiri…………………………..
Yes, I pity her for what has happened.
Her privacy was violated, and it was not with her concern.
However, she should have known that the people, especially Malaysian cannot accept such act regardless of what reason it was.
If you look at one angel, she was not at fault, but the people will not easily accept the act, as nothing.
I must disagree with you. She is a victim in this incident. Not only was her privacy invaded, she was betrayed by the person she trusted, whoever that maybe.
As a constituent of Selangor, I think she should NOT resign under these circumstances. I do not think it is wrong for her to be in a room with a man since she is still single.
She has been working hard for the Selangor people, decent politician should stay.
Liz has offered to resign.
That’s proof she respect her voters and supporters.
Have you ever hear UMNO and BN guys resigning….when exposed?
I think Anwar should advise her to stay put……although PR simply love to go into any elections….to win win win….exposing UMNO….peolpe’s power..no more with them.
Why proof UMNO is powerless in a by elections?
It is simply waste of money..
Liz should stay put…..fight it out in the general election….the mother of all showdown with UMNO……akan datang…bulum sampai lagi…tungu tungu….saba saba.
Monsterball,
Chua Soi Lek did the same thing when exposed.
You should read the post properly.
I have observed that almost all Malaysians (with the exception of Khir Toyo perhaps) agree that Eli is a victim of this, but there is clearly a difference of opinion on whether or not she should resign. This actually highlights the cultural diversity of Malaysian society, one that we must reinforce in our mind from time to time, lest we disrespect each other as a result. To one end of the spectrum, she is single and does no adultery or anything immoral. But to the other end, she is single and therefore should not be in any intimate situation with anyone. It is not about right or wrong, but more importantly is to appreciate that we do have such cultural difference, accept such reality and agree to disagree.
Funny sense of justice still prevails in Malaysia whereby the victim pays the price. Those who call for Eli to step down for whatever reason misses the big picture that one day, we could all end up in her ‘position’ and then what?
Who are we to judge another person on nudity as we are all born naked?
Sheikh, you have not seen the photos. Then see them first before you comment about her having to go. Go the The Gutterpost.Uncensored.com There is absolutely NO nudity at all. It’s just photos of her sleeping and when you are a sleeping, you cannot definitely be in control of your body movements. The guilty ones here is the person who took the photos and SOLD them to currently person/persons unknown so that their group or should I say party will hopefully benefit from a vacated ADUN seat etc.
say, someone goes to take a photo of khir toyo bathing and washing his dick which can be construed as self sexual gratification, then post the photo publicly, should toyo resign? i am sure all knows the answer.
the same applies here, Lizzie was sleeping and some gutter rat took the photos. we are all assuming that Lizzie was engaged in some obscene sexual activityes.
Until that is established as a fact, Lizzie should stay.
Alternatively, I suggest she resign her seat and PKR allow her to recontest to determine the support she should still command.
There are two of a coin. One is her conscience says she had done nothing wrong. The other is becos the position she is holding will jeopadise the intergrity of the party/state gomen and people she represents.
I would say let her speak first and let the people/state gomen decides.
I am holding on to her to stay put and fight back.
monsterball said:
Alternatively, I suggest she resign her seat and PKR allow her to recontest to determine the support she should still command.
can an assemblyman still recontest after resignation? or does that 5 year ban on a recontest only applies to parliamentarians?
Sorry, it should read ‘There are two sides of a coin’
oops. sorry. it was Leo (14:06:17) who said:
“Alternatively, I suggest she resign her seat and PKR allow her to recontest to determine the support she should still command.”
When robbers and murderers come and tell us someone needs to be locked up for littering, we ought to be extra careful.
YUP,
I have to agree with you this time tuan sheih
YB Eli resignation is an honorable act to prevent a death in PR cause.
She can still contribute behind the scene and maybe with a better conscience.
My first response to your blog and I have to disagree with your view. What has EW’s sleeping position or wardrobe preference has to do with her service as an exco member? We all sleep differently. If I choose to sleep naked, does that make me immoral and unsuitable to serve? Let us not be judgmental on our lifestyle preferences but focus on the crime itself, which is someone stole her privacy and made it public. We should hound the criminal but sadly as we often see before, the victims got criminalized. Sheikh, let us be fair to EW. She is doing good work and somebody is trying to dunk her party at her expense. She must not resign because by so doing she had fallen into the grand plan of the accusers. Malaysian politics is really in the pits.
Since the Selangor’s MB is going to consult the Selangor Sultan on her offer to resign, let us wait for the Sultan decision.
seen the photos..taken to hastily no quality at all…mmg tangkap curi punya ni…too bad lizzie….
Why don’t the Yang Berbogel (YB) Elizabeth Wong cut through the chase and sue the photographer? Surely the YB knows who. If its Khir Toyo is the boyfren with the camera (;-)), then it will come out in the wash.
Or, too many boyfrens and too many skeletons? Go, sue the bugger!
MRSM Kalae Chepo 66/73
siae ko dio… keno pukul gambar ko oghe… keno taing tido pulok tuuu… weii looo.. siang ke diiieee…
sapo la buaakk.. siang jugok ko hok jong buaak…
wak ko takdok kijooaanggg.. amik gambo oghe tengoh tidur… wei loo dio..
nok wak guano ko dioo…
Bro.,
Agreed with you Eli have to go…
Eli have to investigate her inner circle who will benefit from her scandal who will be the next Yb Dun and EXCO within Pakatan… Khir Toyo will not get the benefit..
legally…. she did nothing wrong… being sleeping naked in her own house. But then when she’s sleeping naked, with the presence of third party, then she’s vulnerable to the potential damage and it did happen. I believe it’s unusual to sleep naked with unknown third party, thus the third party must be someone special to her.
As an elected person, i believe it’s unbecoming to put a statement that she’s proud of her sex orientation and being single. Will this implied that, it’s ok to have sex with anyone that she consented, so long as she’s still single
Are we sending a message to a school girls, it’s ok to have a pre-marital sex?
Elected person cum EXCO i.e. the Leader should champion the marriage institution or legally bonded relationship.
What puzzled me more, she failed to identify the third party in her police report? A naughty mind will suggest….. so many third party in her bedroom while she’s naked before? thus she failed?
She’s an ardent believer in the right of privacy as I did, thus onus is on her to hang dry this third party.
Bro Shieh,
It’s been some time since I last put my busybody opinion on your blog!
However much everyone feel that Lizzie is the victim here, I do agree with you that the right thing for her to do is to offer her resignation. At least her conscience is clear unlike much of BN’s clans which do not have any.
These are trying times, I think PR should organize some team building and grooming ‘classes’ for their team members. At least tell them to be more alert and paranoid of their personality. It is also to teach some form of self defense against dirty politics which was played to almost perfection by the BN goons. It is sometimes quite depressing to see the good guys gets beaten. But I think in order to prepare the PR team, they ought to go back to classes. Don’t you think? No offense intended but I don’t think the PR guys, especially the PKR team are as well seasoned to handle such onslaught by the BN machineries.
Analyzing the kataks and now Lizzie, I think such waves of attack will stop. So better get prepared rather than sorry later.
I mean to say the waves of attacks will not stop!
HANG JEBAT BILANG :
“POLITIK POLITIK DI UMNO SEMAKIN KOTOR, HARAM DAN KEJI OLEH SEMUA RAKYAT MALAYSIA. MELAYU TAK AKAN HILANG DI BUMI INI, TAPI UMNO AKAN HILANG DI MALAYSiA SELAMA LAMA TAK LAMA LAGI”
HANG TUAH BILANG :
” RAJA MAU EMAS TELUR SEKALI GUS ANGSA EMAS DIKORBANKAN DEMI DAPAT KAN TELUR EMAS UNTUK SEMBAH PATIK, BANGSA MELAYU DIKORBAN MARUAH DEMI SOKONG HANTU HANTU TNGKAT EMPAT YANG BERMAHARAJALELA DI TANAH MELAYU”
ADOHAI, SI-MOLEK RATU ELI DI PERMAINKAN DENGAN GAMBAR LUCAH DAN DIKORBANKAN DEMI MENJAGA MARUAH PARTI. INI LAH KERJA KERJA HANTU TOYO JAVA YANG SUKA PAKAI PEMYAPU BOMOH UNTUK BUAT KACAU BILAU DI TANAH SELANGOT DARUL EHSAN.
MAMPUS LAH BARISAN HANTU HANTU TAK LAMA LAGI.
Dear Rotu, think Eli has nothing to be ashame of her sexuality and her status. That does not meant that she get naked or slept with any men that’s comes along. She just happens to sleep topless…………..like some of us who sleep naked at home or hotel. Who are we to judge her for sleeping naked with her bf? It is not even adultry!
Lets say someone caught abg toyol sleeping with his sarong flip sided and caught the tiny weeny’s pic. Does it meant that he is a immoral person? The immoral person is the person who exploit such moments.
bro,
a rape is a rape … even by your husband …
please do NOT impose your moral values on another person …
1) She should take a break. In the meantime, find out what her constituents want her to do: to stay or to quit. She sould seriously consider their views.
2) I notice that many BN leaders also want her to stay – because she must be good person/leader, and also that BN can never win her DUN seat.
3) The police should speed up their investigation and pin down the culprit(s) – without bias – even if some BN guys are directly or indirectly involved.
How come, ah? During Vijandran (MIC) & Si Lek (MCA) fiasco, UMNO buggers never said a word. Now when PKR person involved, UMNO makes a lot of noise!
Talk about double standards!!
Dear Eskay,
“The immoral person is the person who exploit such moments”.
I concur your statement alas to act naive and at the same time to be a politician doesn’t jive with me.
She knew very well that, there will be some enemies from within and outside the party who will exploit even a minuscule opportunity to pull her down.
She’s had adamantly ban the hill slope development, which is very good to the nation, but had triggered some potential losses to some parties. I believe her enemy not confined to politician only.
People look at the perspective of Eli’s right to privacy, to sleep in whatever position, with whoever and in whatever dress. SO she should not resign because based on “popular” view, its normal and some had done worse.
But the problem is, it will put the likes of Anwar, Hadi, Nik Aziz or maybe even Karpal in an awkward position. If Eli stays, it will be construed that they endorsed ELi’s “life-style.” (Hei, I am not judging!). Imagine Hadi has to say, Yes, its ok for a single woman to sleep naked with another party bla..bla.. I am sure it will not go down well with PAS voters. Its either Eli or PR.
So, sorry la ELi… you are a nice, honest and hard-working person. I kow that its unfair, its dirty but thats politics. And that is why some of us stayed out of it. Maybe you should too so that no one will care about your private life.
Dear Jean,
you paint it better than me. Thanks
Well – with the way TV3 put it last night – they don’t have to show that particular pic at all – just mentioned – “Gambar dengan Kain Terselak!” with glee at least 3 times in separate paragraphs – how low!!!!!
things ( read sins ) that normal to layman.. is not going to be normal for leaders.
I think.. she’s really in a distraughtful stage in her entire life.. so.. a long leave is required.. but.. brace up all her support team.. do ur job.. keep all the rakyat in ur DUN well informed about what happen.. serve the people well…
I do not agree that Elizabeth has to step down as called for by certain politicians.
Anyway, if she has to resign, so do the politicians whose photos are potrayed in the latest posting of http://www.aisehman.org.
What matters now is the people, she needs their say; as whether to stay or not to stay.
I agree with what Jean said, if she stays, not just Anwar, Hadi and Nik Aziz, but also Guan Eng, Kit Siang, including Karpal would be involved, but also the party itself.
It is indeed complicated, does she needs to sacrifice now?
Like I had stated earlier, The people would not easily accept it as, nothing.
I meant to say “and also the party itself”.
Hi,
Let us stop being a party to the MM spin-24hr news cycle and give life to the spin. Look at the pictures before commenting, a picture tells the truth…a thousand words.
She was not in the nude…not bogel. As renoir said check the nuances first befor commenting.
Quoting you kickdefella “Nevertheless, unless the person who captured the digital photos breaks into the room without Lizzie’s permission, she actually do play some part in taking such risk” you are again pre-judged the situation like other commenters beleiving the MM spin of nude, bogel etc.
There is a betrayal of trust of friendship by a guest to her home and she was criminally violated by that guest. She asked for it right, kickdefella? What irrational standard of judgement.
Morality is not the issue in this discussion. She was criminally violated period. The violation of her modesty is the issue.
Supporters of PR must not fall into the gutter politics of BN.
On this issue she should not resign and PR should reject her resignation.
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heheheheheheheheeheheheheheeh…………….
hhohohohohohohohohhohohohooh…………..
Tok Guru kata itu hak peribadi………………….
Nuar Brahim kata itu kerja BN dan mu pergi coti…………….
bro, tolong cerita sikit sapa yang dapat sedap dalam kes ni………………
A religious fanatic will think it is immoral to sleep half naked..in bed room.
A pro UMNO love to argue she should resign.
A level headed person maybe right to say,..,once resign..cannot stand for reelection. Never mind…keDAILan can put another person.
It’s the party and that new face….that will clobber BN candidate. That matter most.
One asked me to read the post properly….as if he is smarter than me.
I asked him to read between the lines…not like a blockhead….cannot twist and turn like smart Mahathir…..hahahahahahahaha
off my hat for yb eli, she just simply great and strong enough to offer her quit.
none of bn rascals dare to offer this way. done nothing wrong, see no evil and hear no devil. stay put and fight till the end. we support you, yb eli.
“Deep in Taiwan enjoying her sleep”? Maybe you should rephrase – content and deeply satisfied. Post coitus, no?
Quoted monsterball as saying “Have you ever hear UMNO and BN guys resigning….when exposed?”
Wasn’t that your statements ?
Who is being pro UMNO?
A biased is a biased, no matter what. Before you utter one more word, I suggest you take a good peek at your own comment, instead of insulting others as ‘blockhead’.
Pendapat saya:
1. Ya, dia mungkin bersalah kerana bersekedudukan sebelum berkahwin. Tapi Eli bukan Islam. Walaupun agama kristian turut tidak membenarkan perkara tersebut.
2. Gambar itu diambil dalam keadaan dia tidak sedar. Begitu juga CSL.
3. Eli masih single, manakala CSL sudah berkahwin, dan itu dikira CSL melakukan adultery.
4. Saya rasa elok Eli resign as exco only, bukan sebagai Adun. Namun terpulang kepada kerajaan negeri dan PKR.
5. Yang perlu dipertikaikan ialah siapa yang menyebar gambar itu. Nampaknya mangsa pula yang dibicarakan.
6. Berhati-hatilah semua ahli politik, Mungkin lepas ni gambar korek hidung pon boleh jadi isu hangat!
hi…..Abang sakit perut…..do you know how to read English?
My statement you quoted…..is pro UMNO?? Are you nuts?
I hope dannalli can come out and explain to you. He did that before.
By the way……for past 5 years in blogging…no one call me pro UMNO…except you.
Do not make a fool of yourself anymore.
Elizabeth Wong ke, Chua Soi Lek ke, Vijandran ke atau Abu Hasan Omar ke – sama saja. tak boleh jadi pemimpinlah kalau perangai begitu.semua kata personal privacy blah blah…kalau nak jadi pemimpin mesti conform to the generally accepted local practice and standard.saya tidak akan memilih orang yang mengamalkan kehidupan bebas tanpa berkahwin menjadi wakil saya.Anda mungkin memilihnya. Bila satu hari anak anda berkata kepada anda : papa saya nak panggil boyfriend saya tidur dengan saya malam ini.Bagaimana ? Bolehkah anda menerimanya atas dasar personal privacy dan free to choose..
Pertimbangan politik memang anih sebab dalam polituk tidak hitam putih. Yang ada hanyalah kepentingan. Bila Chua Soi Lek atau Vijandran yang lakukan gamat satu Malaysia mahukan tindakan tegas ,letak jawatan dan bermacam-macam lagi sebab mereka bukan kawan. Bila Si wong ni pula – lain pula bunyinya. dia teraniayalah, orang buat dialah blah,blah, blah – Cakap tak serupa bikin tuan. Bila kawan -HALAL Bila lawan – HARAM. Bendanya sama. Wallahu Aklam.
This is about your heart. If you’re a married person, and in your house with family, u have to protect them and your own privacy. Lock the doors and ensure house safety. Then you let a Negro enter your house as he is your daughter’s friend, so your heart (the rotten one) says never mind lah, they are friend friend only. Whereas your heart (the god one) says hey what is this, interracial sex huh, must check man. At least you must check.
Now in this case, which heart says “oklah come in Lah, I want to sleep. Aiyo, you don’t take my photo ok, I want to sleep naked now”. The cincai’s heart said that. The cincai’s heart is an evil friendly down loadable Trojan horse to destroy our oriental values. It may come from outer space but it’s easily be setup into your brain hard disk. So if you don’t have anti malware or anti virus, it’s sip into your skull. And you become dump and let people take photos when you are naked. So you are a person of integrity, where do you stand. I say I’ll sit down and think. As a ADUN You can’t sit and think, you must step down and be erased. So if you follow a good heart, you will never let anyone come into your house because you wanna sleep in the first place.
She has done just that, but u guys say she shouldn’t. Why, because u guys also follow the Trojan horse from the outer space and has no anti virus or anti malware in your brain hard disk.
How come the print and electronic media are not showing a picture of the skunk? At least we will know how the skunk looks like. I have stopped buying and watching the news. A waste of valuable time.
borhan (23:58:06) :
. Bila satu hari anak anda berkata kepada anda : papa saya nak panggil boyfriend saya tidur dengan saya malam ini.Bagaimana ? Bolehkah anda menerimanya atas dasar personal privacy dan free to choose..
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Mr Borhan, I do pray, in the next 22 years, my son will not say those line to me, as I might be in a bind. Not to approve, he’ll do it somewhere else. To approve, like condoning his pre-marital sex, which is UnIslamic. Uuuuurrrrk
Dear Borhan,
Awat hang benak sangat? Nampaknya anda tak faham keadaan. Berikut ialah perkataan yg sesuai utk setiap kes tu.
Chua Soi Lek: Curang @ Main kayu tiga
Abu Hassan Omar: Curang @ Main kayu tiga
Vijandran: Gila s**s
Elizabeth: Kena dajal dek bfriend/penceroboh?
Najibs responce is fishy. He skipped the morals, immediately denied and defend Umno. Dont have to do a lie detector. Already fail.
Quoting Monsterball “One asked me to read the post properly….as if he is smarter than me.
I asked him to read between the lines…not like a blockhead….cannot twist and turn like smart Mahathir…..hahahahahahahaha”
Re-read please, captain literate.
Melayu Yang Mati Katak Itu
Online Petition – *REJECT* YB Elizabeth Wong’s Resignation As ADUN of Bukit Lanjan and Selangor EXCO
http://www.petitiononline.com/reject/petition.html
Let’s do our small part … email this link to *ALL* our contacts and urge them to “pen” their signature to support Eli … to convey a *STRONG* message to Menteri Besar Selangor and Sultan of Selangor that we, the rakyat … want the resignation of YB Eli to be *REJECTED*. She stays as ADUN and Selangor EXCO!
http://www.petitiononline.com/reject/petition.html
i tidak hairan melihat corak pemikiran politik dangkal dalam isu ini:
1-Persoalan bukan islam elizabeth wong-hak privacy
2-Persoalan sabotaj
3-Persoalan badut politik yang nak berpolitik tapi tak faham politik.
LEADER MUST SHOW GOOD EXAMPLE. DON’T POINT FINGERS TO OTHER PEOPLE. WHAT YOU DID IS WHAT YOU GET. SIMPLE AS THAT. LIKE THE MALAYS ALWAYS SAID ‘KALAU TAKUT DILAMBUNG OMBAK, JANGAN BERAKIT DITEPI PANTAI’. SIN IS A SIN. WHITE IS WHITE, BLACK IS BLACK.
YUP, IT’S HER PRIVACY. BUT IF OTHERS KNOW, SHE MUST HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT. LET THE PEOPLE BE THE JUDGE OF IT. DON’T TAKE IT PERSONALLY. WE, ASIAN PEOPLE MUST HAVE THE GOOD MORAL VALUE & FOLLOW TO THE RELIGION. THINK!
time to go for a holday, and come back kicking more Umno asses.
Mat Reset or should it be re-sit..?? You got re-sit your MCE ha..?? nermind…. but your comments (past / present) are somehow disgrace to ANSARIANS…. sure ha you x mrsm…?? like not….lah…
Ex Rotu,
What is wrong with pre-marital sex … pleaazz, all you stone-age men are harping on it because she’s a Woman! Double standard lah, as usual, in this country. You guys all (except for a handful of virgins) go screw around, and when time for marriage, want to look for an untouched one. Look at what Bill Clinton did to Monica, yet he is a much respected statesman and sought after speaker around the world. Pahhh! Double standard.
And if you want to talk about mentors, look at Oprah, she’s looked up to by millions of young girls worldwide … yet she’s not married (a Christian no less) and goes home to Steadman every night – what do you have to say to that! Is anyone rushing out to stone her because she does premarital sex?
As for Pas, who says Hadi has to condone it … Liz is not a Malay nor is she a Muslim. Different jurisdiction lah. For all you know, she may not even be affiliated with any religion. So who’s God is she suppose to answer to eh?
For all you preachy (mostly men, I notice) preachy ones out there, don’t stuff your own set of morality down other people’s throats. Keep all that good stuff within your own family. Look what happened to ultra conservative Sarah Palin, whose teenage daughter ended up pregnant out of wedlock. Save your particular religious / moral beliefs for your own underaged children.
Liz – this is 2009, we women don’t get mad, we get even!
Scotmen wear nothing beneath their kilts, sama sama Eli also nothing dibawah sarong.
Served her right for having an affair with a Married Muslim Man.
Liz is gone.
Active in politics does not suit her.
She should stay as she was…..one tough gal..freedom fighter.
Sheih welcome her as a good friend…like before and always.
Those who know her….will stand by her…through thick and think.
Life is short…may she stays useful….healthy and well.
I think we have to be clear here – to a large population of non Muslims in this country, premarital sex is NOT A SIN. So the question of morality is a moot point.
Please try to understand and accept that. Just as we wilingly accept certain Islamic practices (shan’t list them) which we may not agree with.
We do that as we respect your right to live within your faith.
All we ask that you accept (no need to agree, condone or join in the party) our right to live our life as we choose.
I suppose it is a given that we would be having by-elections in Bkt Lanjan and a Gerakan candidate would be standing.
Let me guess their campaign here – “PKR under pressure from PAS forced Eli to resign. If u vote PR, there will endless concessions to PAS and gradual infringement of the right of non Muslims. Very soon, there will be guidelines on clothing, liquor, khalwat ……. “.
Imagine the repercussion in the 70% non Muslim Bkt Lanjan constituency.
Now is a good time as any for PAS to make a stand and let us know if your are going to impose your view of morality on us?
The freaking FI_ICKERS who are complaining and criticising pemarital sex, sleeping in the nude are the ones that are BIG TIME into it!
What has happen to this lady Elizabeth has nothing to do with her wantinadn her bilities as a Politician much as I don’t give a shit to any Politicians be it BN, NB, PKR, RKP what-so-ever.
Stupid low mentalities and idiotic people.
To Malaysianwoman,
I hate to go against you sis but I hope you realized that you are contradicting yourself silly.
First of all, you are complaining about the double standard some were using in looking at Eli’s case. You were calling those who disapproved of pre-marital sex as “stone-age” men.
The you screamed “…for all you preachy (mostly men, I notice) preachy ones out there, don’t stuff your own set of morality down other people’s throats.” But wait a minute! Look at what you wrote. You brought in Oprah, you brought in Clinton and you brought in Sarah Palin and asked all of us to adopt that value, ain’t you? Who was being preachy here sis?
Personally, I am not being judgemental about Eli but please lah, don’t tell me that I am wrong if I happened to think that Eli was wrong.
What I am trying to say is, you’ve got a problem. A preachy one.
I feel sorry for Liz. But i don’t condone the work of the person who took the pic on her. Its wrong and criminal act.
One more thing. Can someone pls kick the ass or balls of Khir toyo. That guy is an idiot and imbecile. Stupid opportunist. The more he talk the more it damages his reputation. He keep harassing lizzie. I wonder if someone take a picture of his wife or daughter in the toilets room and publish it or show it in the net. What will other people think? Does it stand for ‘moral’. He keep talking about moral and right standing. It shows the ugly side of toyo and UmNo. Corruption , croyism, abuse of power, manipulator and other things which cannot be mentioned here. Sicko toyo.
MalaysianWoman (23:51:15) :
Ex Rotu,
What is wrong with pre-marital sex … pleaazz, all you stone-age men are harping on it because she’s a Woman! Double standard lah, as usual, in this country. You guys all (except for a handful of virgins) go screw around, and when time for marriage, want to look for an untouched one. Look at what Bill Clinton did to Monica, yet he is a much respected statesman and sought after speaker around the world. Pahhh! Double standard.
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Dear MalaysianWoman,
Nothing wrong with pre-marital sex, if you see it as your expression of liberty. you can fling around and get fuc69ed to as many people as you like. you have that absolute freedom as an ordinary citizen. But to be an elected person and a lead of a constituent, don’t jive with me.
Bill Clinton had been impeached before, and he survived.
New York Gov, Eliot Spitzer scandalized, and he resigned
Various media report, revealed that the BF is a Muslim, and “supposed” they did engaged in pre-marital sex, then some nasty mind will manipulate this situation as Eli had induced Muslim to commit a sin and breaking a law. Anyway, Islamic law will require a 4 credible witness before a judge, he’s safe. How could PKR explain to PAS which part of PR, that one of their elected member induced Muslim to compromise his belief. Want to imagine how will certain member of population manipulate this situation?
Personal liberty and political reality didn’t alway dance to tune.
The Spitzer Scandal: Lust Plus Pride
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1721095,00.html
Maybe she had to resign as something bigger is looming. Some blogs are relating her to a PKR senior Malay MP, whom is under investigation by MACC.
Hilmi was just a cover up.
No wonder she has to go overseas…. its too big. bigger that an upskirt photo.
With Anwar’s sodomy trial (Pt2) nearing after several attempts to delay by Anwar, while the victim (? – Anwar also claimed he’s a victim , to the Turkish ambassador firstly, instead of the police ) is so eager to get over and done with, we are looking into a meltdown on PKR armada. We have seen the list.
Its time PAS draw a line against PKR, instead of standing in line behind Eli during the press conference.
Is it true that the photographer is a married man? She has relations with this guy?
dey selvi… it may not be sinful to you to have pre marital sex… but it is not ethical to every civilized culture and religion.. that is why there is what we call the institution of marriage.
however, in politics, when you done something like that, it is an invitation to attacks, politically. Just like when someone is sleeping at a conference like the PM. It is not a sin to sleep. But do you care when you can use this as a reason for a political attack?
sheih… where are yo now? ARe you oversea with Liz. I BASHED YOUR HEAD IF U ARE WITH HER NOW!!!
Well,
Looking in the bigger picture, there have been 4 severe betrayals in PKR within 3 months. 3 in Perak and 1 that cause dmg to lizzie. This is an average once in a month. Whats happening in PKR?
And I dont wanna to hear it got to do with BN and some crappy conspiracy theory trojan horse bla bla. SO if that the case that means the chick that CHua poke is a trojan from PKR?. That so self denial. PKR would do the same if the advantage come on silver platter.
It doesnt happen in DAP or PAS, so PKR got issues regarding loyalty department?
Pre-marital sex or whatever, in this time, i dont mind women have same right as men to “test drive”.
But the key question, does PKR got issues in the loyalty department?