In Rocky We Trust
17 01 2007
Dear Rocky,
If this going to be our last communiqué, then let the whole world know about it. Three years ago, I voted for today’s government. I sent them to Putrajaya hoping they will protect us as Malaysian. I sent those lawmakers to Parliament, wishing they would pass all the laws that will protect us. However, as it seems today, the law is rather to protect them against us.
Justice is for the people. Who worked to pay for the salary of The Prime Minister, the entire cabinet and all the lawmakers. Nevertheless now, for whom actually the justice belongs to?
My brothers and my fellow Malaysians, please forgive me for electing these backstabbers. I shall take the blame. I repent, but again, it is always too late. If hell is my destiny, this is the reason for it.
As I sat alone at night, as I slowly butchering myself over Marlboros trying to contemplate what I had done, I just wished, yesterday, shall be tomorrow, I promised you, it would make all the different. Again, what different would it make now.
As we live and breathe, we are witnessing the servant becoming the master. Those people whom we paid for their everything to work for us, has now dictate us. Are now working against us. Some say, better the devil than the deep blue sea, however I rather say, both is not good enough.
Rocky, may God be with us.
Sincerely yours,
Sheih
Meanwhile, please enjoy the poetry below by buddy blogger Lubok Melayu,
pulangkan kepercayaaan ku
kembalikan, oh abdullah ahmad badawi
kertas ballot yang ku pangkah buat mu
yang ku pangkah dengan penuh harapan
bahawa gantian mahathir adalah
anak jantan yang
tidak akan
lupa daratan
yang tidak akan
lupa jasa kawan(click here)
Dear Sir and all my friends,
Thanks for the suggestion, however I trust this is not the right time for all this. This is the time for us to be hand in hand and face what is coming. I won’t tell you what’s coming but if you learn to trust me and understood me, you know I am dead serious.
So sorry.
monsterball: “I wish Sheih speak up whether my postings are chasing people away from his site…like few said .”
Your call now Sheih, to set the record straight.
How on earth can Malaysians be united to save the country if we cannot even tolerate each other in the cyber whole? Please STOP ruining this wonderful site with all the unnecessary unpleasantness.
Sorry, I meant ‘in the cyber world’.
Komen yg berbeza-beza tak mengapa..
Monsterball dah jadi peminat setia sheih, macam kita yang lain..
Sedikit kepelbagaian menjadi ruang ini menarik dan ceria.
T.K.
let’s all just wait and see what’s up tonight!!
tonight is the night…
Betul tu, beritadarigunung
Let’s learn to agree-to-disagree yeah.
But still, MonsterTesticles!!! hahah, what a nick.
watching…. ,
watching…. ,
watching….
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Bro Sheih, sebelum matahari terbit, check out for new postings on Screenshots and Rocky’s Bru. I heard they are going to confirm what you have been saying.
Your Bloggers United. No Fear icon is not for nothing, bro.
Mana signal ni.. ni pun ada rasa nak terkucil terkeluar, ku tahan jebat, Masuk ni dah 7 kali. Terasa macam watchkeeper pulak. Ahh.. kacau. Mana midnight show nye? Pulangkan wang kami! pulangkan wang kami!
what signal? What is the breaking mews??
Semua sedang terpaku depan skrin komputer, tunggu sesuatu……..
Semua sedang klik ‘refresh’ button kickdefella, screenshoots dan rocky’s bru……. klik dan klik dan klik dan klik…. klik
Akupun sama……………
we trust……………
thats it? hmmm oh well but i don’t trust blindly bro, as i have mentioned in my post in SiPM…
best we make judments seeking truths on both sides of the story…
Enlighten me Dek Mat dear, on what truths we seeking here? Must be this 3-size too small kebaya making me losing my ability to see clearly.
Dek Mat,
pls read this one, http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/62237 to answer ur doubts on ur recent post http://sipm.blogspot.com/2007/01/chief-whips-like-get-real.html .
Sry for posting url here, but i cant post a comment in ur SiPM….
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after read your previous postings (’n others as well) it seems like ‘he’ is likely to kill his own people in their own country!
where is malaysia going???
frustrated jentayu
Yes..i do accept your apologies, thanks very much for realising. Dont let it happen again in next PRU pls. It is always easy for us to actually see both sides, thanks to 24/7 internet connection. But what about pakcik2, makcik2, nenek2, datuk2 in kampungs, whose sources are only tv and utusan meloya or whatever u call it? They dont get fair and enough coverage. So whatever bullshit they receive from these sources, they wld just accept it. Who’s gonna cater them?
Anywhere to find out what the karimurah gang is suing Rocky & Jeff about? I heard they went quiet, tails between their legs, after BBC asked them to go to hell.
Rocky needs money to fight these burgers. How to contribute from outside KL?
Salaam,
As Lubuk Melayu, I also want Pak Lah and the whole HP6 cabinet to PULANGKAN my vote and ALL THE VOTES I helped them secured in the last PRU!
TIDAK AKAN saya serta seluruh ahli keluarga halalkan satu sen pun duit tax yg kami bayar bagi penyelewangan sebegini oleh Pak Lah dan HP6 cabinet, juga duit EPF yg Pak Lah berserta anak menantu ingin lanunkan nanti.
Berjawablah Pak Lah anak beranak serta menantu pengkhianat negara satu sen-pun-tak guna esok di akhirat nanti!
Tiada maaf lagi. Sakit hati sudah jadi teramat benci. Pak Lah & his whole bloody family boleh BLAH!!!! Kick them out of UMNO and kick them out of the country!
/Rakyat & ahli UMNO Tertipu dan Tertindas
I salute all brave bloggers wherever you are.
To bro Sheih you are one wonderful and brave soul…keep them coming.
Bloggers United. No Fear!
sheih,
one cool poster. will be putting it up.
salam
nuraina
2pac once said : whenever thereis a dark night, theres always a brighter day after that. so stick you chance out and head up!
dude, whatever going to happen, we will continue this fight. non-stop! all bloggers, let us unite!
God with us all!
dear Sheih, Rocky & Frontline Bloggers,
i think a critical mass is brewing. we’re solid behind you. just keep up posted and let us know how we — within and without the country — can contribute, monetary or otherwise.
dear Lubok Melayu,
man, that poem resonates… across all good malaysian hearts, it RESONATES!
patah sayap terbang jua!
You are one awesome guy!
semoga allah merahmati mu…
Mats and Minahs, I wouldn’t trust anything written by Ganesh Sahathevan even if it was the Gospel.
Just google his name and look into his past and posts.
As for the current hysteria over any perceived onslaught against any particular blogger, it seems to me that a section of bloggers have whipped up emotions without any evidence of an onslaught.
One swallow does not a summer make. Nor does one lawsuit, if true, make an onslaught against bloggers who after all are citizens subject to laws of the country.
So, seriously, get real!
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terimakasih, saudara sheih, kerana menyediakan ruang di pelantar yang sebegini tinggi untuk poyem saya yang tak seberapa tu. saudara telah meniup semangat untuk saya mula kembali menulis sajak-sajak berbau kesedaran. terimakasih!
My fellow brother and sister..
I found this latest post from rocky’s blog. Maybe there is somebody here that can ‘put their hands in’.
http://rockybru.blogspot.com/2007/01/injunction.html
PSTJ-Patah Sayap Terbang Jua
Dear All,
I think by now we need the next step ahead..if this is what they do to people who is/are trying to dissiminate vital information for the public, then those in the know kindly advice us the subsequent action to show our disagreement in anyway we can.
MAYBE February 07 is the new line up and April 07 the General Election.
What should we be doing during election - DONT GO VOTING?? probably thats the best alternative other than voting for XYZ - so what happens next?? how do we state our plights??? who will represent us??.. ..pls shed some lights as i frankly declare i dont know how these thing works…how many percent of voters is required to enable validity of such general election…
Let me know earlier so that we can tell some other friends what need to be done.
Daripada tak berminat dalam hal-hal politik..keadaan sekarang memaksa saya mahu belajar bagaimana saya dapat membantu
menagani
don’t go voting is the worse thing you can ever do!! you sure do not know how many phantoms voters they have…
don’t go voting means easy win for BN…
dumb dumb gimme gum gum
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just wondering how did sheih get to know about all these ..
Salam bro sheih
For bro rocky …we know that u are not rocky bibao,rocky 2 or rocky 1…but u are one of spescies in wan kembang state they call”berrig”..bro sheih correct me if wrong “berrig”=is like you been beat up by 10 people but u still standing until u beat them all..mu ni betuinyer berrig…so to all bloggers stand up & fight up ..thanks u.. bloggers coz showing alots of mungkar is happening …..salam betaut bro sheih
Hmmm, the writ against Jeff Ooi and Rocky Bru seem to be filed by a corporation and some individuals, based on Rocky’s disclosure on his website.
One wonders how you see the hand of the government in this one ?
Or have we all taken the stance that bloggers are beyond reproach, always right and can do no wrong ? If one has something to say which is perhaps not of the truth, then the aggrieved parties have the right to seek recourse in the CIVIL courts.
As Jeff Ooi proudly proclaims, “INTERNET does not operate in a legal vacuum. “.
It doesn’t, and now the courts will decide who is right and who is wrong.
Blurry Bedah: The truths are simple, for eg are the documents real?
Or did rocky and jeff think that they are in a legal vaccuum? perhaps they went overboard for watever reason and now they have to pay the price?
as we have stated earlier jeff and rocky are doing great things although sometimes we disagree with thte things they say but its ok we will defend their rights to say it but at the same time if jeff and rocky went overboard i will defend the rights of the NST fellas to sue them. If Jeff and Rocky are right they will win no? If they are wrong then they will loose. Let the courts decide…
P.S Do u need help to loosen up your kebaya?
arifabdull: How come u cannot comment in our website ya? Weird
Anyway… until today not even Ganesh can substantiate whether the documents are real.
All he got was refusal to comment from Bank Negara. That could mean 1) I don’t know what you’re talking about let me investigate first or 2)It’s true and and I don’t want to give you the pleasure of knowing that it’s true…
So in other words its only at best th truth is half baked. Should we go around blaming the govt and accuse them of conspiracy.
No!
We should press the govt for answers and comment on the authenticity of the documents and accusations!
Now that’s the way to go!
eh sorry i terboldkan my comments i actually wanted to boldkan nama Blurry Bedah and nama arifabdull.. haiya my html skills still bad..
sorry guys!
mr mydeen,
a pertinent question: are bloggers beyond reproach?
no sir. no one in this beautiful land of ours is. not even the our beloved Prime Minister.
it is the right of anyone who feels that his reputation has been injured, or that he has been wronged, to take his case to court. i.e sue the person he feels is responsible for attacking him unfairly and unjustly without basis.
therefore it is the right of the corporation (NST) and the four individuals to sue our brother rocky for libel.
they have to prove that rocky is guilty of all those allegations.
and rocky can prove them wrong too. or prove that he was right and no malice intended. fair comment. he did not hurt their reputation. etc etc etc.
whether or not he is found guilty as charged, the truth will prevail.
thank you
wassallam
Definitely Mr Melayujati, that is what the courts are for. A citizen’s right of redress for any alleged or perceived wrong or slight.
And as for those who refer to the Bill of Guarantees under the Multimedia Super Corridor, here it is:-
+ Provide a world-class physical and information infrastructure.
+ Allow unrestricted employment of local and foreign knowledge workers.
+ Ensure freedom of ownership by exempting companies with MSC Malaysia Status from local ownership requirements.
+ Give the freedom to source capital globally for MSC Malaysia infrastructure, and the right to borrow funds globally.
+ Provide competitive financial incentives, including no income tax for up to 10 years or an investment tax allowance, and no duties on import of multimedia equipment.
+ Become a regional leader in intellectual property protection and cyberlaws.
+ Ensure no Internet censorship.
+ Provide globally competitive telecommunications tariffs.
+ Tender key MSC Malaysia infrastructure contracts to leading companies willing to use the MSC Malaysia as their regional hub.
+ Provide an effective one-stop agency - Multimedia Development Corporation.
The jury is still out on whether the guarantees are effective and implemented but thus far, I don’t see any censorship on the Internet.
And yes, the “INTERNET does not operate in a legal vacuum” which all of us have to be mindful.
And that stands to reason because bloggers are not a special group or interest above reproach or laws.
They are still citizens of their countries and subject to laws of the land.
Pak Sheih
Macam mana nak boh gambaq bloggers united kat blog saya?
Satu lagi, nak mintak boh poster Rocky we’re with you kat blog saya. Harap boleh.
- bakaq
Dear Friends,
Lets not just get a lawyer for Rocky and Jeff, Lets get a real hebat punya lawyer from a real hebat punya firm. Lets show that that we know our right and are not kaki busuk punya geng. Lets show we know how to fight fire with fire. If this what they wanted, This is what we going to do. I seconded the motion to form a committee and I hope Datuk A. Kadir Jassin, Datuk Ruhanie dan Dato’ Paduka Marina will agreed to the suggestion.
I am willing to quit smoking and used all that money as the starter. I have few scripts that still unsold, if someone willing to buy it, the cash will go to get a good defence for Rocky and Jeff.
That is for starter from me.
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Dear Mydeen Aboo Backer(mamak for short),
For the attention of other readers also,
I’m writing in response to what Mydeen said, when he wrote the following:
” Hmmm, the writ against Jeff Ooi and Rocky Bru seem to be filed by a corporation and some individuals, based on Rocky’s disclosure on his website.
One wonders how you see the hand of the government in this one ?”
The comment above seems to suggest a pertinant point, that we sould appropriate blame or negative emotions to the right party. In this case we should not asscosiate the NST with the authourities.
On the surface very fair and reasonable.
But lets go beyond the surface and superficialities, and explore abit deeper.
For instance, how clear exactly are the bondaries that separate between goverment & non- goverment activities?In Malaysia that is.
Is it as clear cut as the economic and legal texts seems to suggest? Or as clear as when we read media sentences like’ the goverment AND the private sector’ or ‘ the role of the goverment AND the role of private initiative?
Or are the 2 sentences above merely examples of how we employ language to facilitate our attempts to describe the world around us?
In short just a communication aid with all its inherant shortcommings?
That is, sometimes our sentences, spoken and written, official and informal, describes things exactly the way they are, yet at other times not so perfectly?
Notwithstanding the above questions, yes, in most instances, there does exist clear boundaries between goverment and non- goverment activities.
Clear enough that is, to make talking and communicating in such terms meaningful.
For example, a desicion by Syd Mokhta al Murtabak for instance, to buy a hotel in Switzerland is clearly a private initiative, not a goverment action.
There’s no doubt about that.
But unfortunately, there are instances when it is not so clear cut.
For example, if Syd Mokta, who is a private individual was ask(directed?) by the powers that be to buy, lets say, Proton, how do we describe such an example?
Is it a private action or a goverment action?
Or can we say, that “the move by Syed Moktah al Murtabak to buy Protons shares was actually a Goverment initiative by private proxy”?
Not so simple now is it?
The borders that seperate Goverment action and private initiative which seemd so clear cut in the first example are suddenly quite blurry in the second example, right?
But luckly for us, the prdeicment of Rok n Jep being sued by AN ASS TEE, are not as hazy as as the second example of our hypothetical Syd Muktr al Murtabak buying Proton on behalf of the Gorment.
U see, dear readers, all we need to ask is who owns the nst? Many people of course, but ARM-NO thru its president has what is deemed a “golden” share.
And ARM-No is the party that controls the gorment.
Hence, notwith standing the fact that we all knw that the media is in one way or another beholden to the Gorment, the nst is even more so.
Its shares are owned by ARMNO, directly and by proxy and since ARMNO is the party that controls the goverment, hence its very normal to c the hand of the gorment in the legal action taken towards our fellow blogger Jep and Rok.
Unless of course u also dont c the connection between Umno and the goverment- but I’m sure most readers here are not blind. Or dumb.
Anyway, that my friens, aswers the query of our Mydeeeen Abooo Backeeeer when he/she ask us all, i quote ” One wonders how you see the hand of the government in this one ?”
Well, given the circumstances of recent events in our country, how can u not?
PS- All examples used that bears similiarities with real life are purely unintentional.Coincedance aje beb!
PSS- Mamak Mydeen dari SiberPati!A Question!
Kedai mamak hang tu jual teh tarek betui ka, iaitu, is is it a real teh tarek or just a virtual one like ur question?
Pleeese answer mamak,.M very thirsty and and love to try something genuine
Mat Rempit Hubris,
you are very patient to explain to our mamak.
For something like these shits, even the blind can see, the deaf can hear. I am puzzled that there are people who can’t. Shits, I better go explain to my cats.
Sheih mungkin you boleh bagi Bank Account number dan kami mula menderma? atau apa sahaja yang dapat disalurkanlah.
Perlukan promosi, kita buatlah promosi jual barangan atau apa sahaja.
Perlukan hebahan, saya boleh hebahan seluruh malaysia dari kerajaan hinggalah swasta.
Kalau ini peperangannya. I dengan suka hati sertainya.
Mat Rempit Hubris,
How kind of you to disclose the nexus betweeen New Straits Times and United Malays National Organisation (Baru), which is a member of the ruling Barisan Nasional coalition.
Unsure about your spelling but am sure it is an attempt at a joke.
We see the connection and the allusion that you have made and while not wanting to split hairs, I will of course proceed to do so, it is then UMNO and not the government per se that is taking action against these two citizens.
Is a civil suit by those whom you say are linked to the ruling coalition considered a government crackdown?
And what are the circumstances of recent events in our country that you allude to?
Pray tell.
Mat Rempit Hubris: To say the ARMNO/gomen has a say in it must come with proof. Can you substantiate your claims?
Right now all you have said is that ARMNO has a golden share in AN ASS TEE.
Firstly we can’t substantiate that too, but now let’s say for discussion sake that you’re right.
Can you prove that the ARMNO golden share told AN ASS TEE to initiate the legal suit?
If you can great! Then we can lay this discussion to rest.
Otherwise it’s still hearsay and wild conjecture.
And let me put it to you the other scenario (since we all love to make wild conjectures)
What if the opposite was true?
Ie. That the ARMNO thru its golden share did not instruct AN ASS TEE to file the suit.
But AN ASS TEE decided to file it on their own judgement as the defamation actually affected their business?
Wouldn’t the defamation suit be justified then?
hasilox: it is good to be patient when explaining. Especially if you want the person to listen to you so I must say kudos to Mat Rempit Hubris as he can actually engage in an intellectually stimulating discussion, unlike some others…
Peace!
It is sad, that Rocky and Jeff are being pushed by these buggers! Rocky as a journalist had strived to deliver news to the common people. Having met him in his days of playing snooker, we have crossed cues many times! And he doesn’t back down easy.
Here I would like to suggest a show of support.
We should all show up at the courthouse on that given day. Come in Black T shirt (plain) and print your blogger name at the back in white, and if you have your url, print it below your blogger name. Sheih, at the courthouse, get Rocky’s closest mates to form a committee. One that would held him raise funds, and this fund will go on to help bloggers in the same predicament. What do you say?
Eh eh eh eh, Mydeen’s fellow colleagues have already explained what Mydeen meant. Mat Rempit Hubris has drawn one possible analogy, but other than as an analogy there really is nothing to substantiate it, as has been pointed out.
What would irk Mydeen is that bloggers will now go to town about how the gomen is clamping down on them and trampling on their rights. Well, mamak Mydeen would like to ask, what of the rights of those the bloggers trampled on ? Don’t they have the right to seek redress through the civil courts ?
And Mydeen’s teh can be virtual or real. After all, what is real and virtual these days anyway ? The lines are blurred.
Also, Mat Rempit Hubris, if mamak remembers correctly, Jeff Ooi hosts his blog server locally at Jaring. And if mamak further remembers correctly, then the gomen also got golden share in Jaring or MIMOS. So indirectly, the gomen is also supporting Jeff Ooi all this while and had a hand in it la.
Can that be true ?
Were you flirting with me Dek Mat, when you asking if I need help to loosen up my kebaya? Not that I find it offending, no! Infact, I could almost feel a sudden gushing of icantevenexplainwhatwasit that I was feeling by just thinking on your firm strong hands working their way around trying to free me from this torture chamber I call red kebaya. But thank you, you are so charming to a point of even being so witty. Your words alone were able to disarm me, not to mention this kebaya am wearing too.
Sheh,
Apart from contributing financially and morally, let stop buying NST. That will send a clear message to them..
Regards
mat merah & monsterball. Write on. I don’t understand one word, but it funny though!
Mana monsterball ni? kembalilah..
Takpa rocky Bru macam rocky Stallone juga.
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the news by most or almost all bloggers are not for kampung ppls.
they are i think for at least the middle class, the main chunk in class society such in malaysia.
further more the kampung ppls will always looked up to this middle class for protecting kampung ppl interest, much easier compared if they were to rely on high class or elite ppl
it is the emphasis on the middle class that is so paramount such as what kind of info. and how they discern them and lastly make decision
the government knew this and these bloggers knew this too. right now the govern. can see the trend that the net is much MORE TRUSTED than main media such as Kali’s domain. Tell me has Kalimullah have his own site or blog? It is much more like asking ppl to fart on his face but he wouldnt care less since that bastard has a Singapore permanent residence status. Why puzzle me is why someone has been ‘netted’ as unclean by SB to be working as setpol for the late Ghafar Baba is being promoted as the tongue of NST? Kalimullah is a bachul who is hidung behind power. Time will tell.
To the funny fellas of Siberpati,
First to Mat Merah and Dek Mat,
I WOULD SAY THAT U GUYS R MISSING THE POINT BUT THAT IS GIVING U GUYS TOO MUCH CREDIT.
Instead, I WANT TO MAKE A SIMPLE REQUEST. Though u may have other agenda’s, can u keep your replies to me LIMITED to what i wrote? Please Hunny?
It seems u people have conveniantly forgotten, that the objective of my post was to answer Mydeen’s question ,which again i quote, goes like this:
” Hmmm, the writ against Jeff Ooi and Rocky Bru seem to be filed by a corporation and some individuals, based on Rocky’s disclosure on his website.
One wonders how you see the hand of the government in this one ?”
My reply, which was clearly stated in the first sentence of my 1st post, was specific to the query above.
The reply was to show, why there exist people who “see the hand of the govment’ in the legal action taken against Rok & Jepp. Or at least, do not disassociate it completely. Again i repeat, it was specific to the Myeedeeen’s query, AS IT WAS WRITTEN. Nothing more and nothing less.
Hence, please tell me Dek Mat and Mat Merah, what is the relevance of asking me the following questions:
1) Is a civil suit by those whom you say are linked to the ruling coalition considered a government crackdown? (Mat Merah)
2)If Rok and Jepp wrote something which are illegal, “Wouldn’t the defamation suit be justified then?”
( Dek Mat’s words are in inverted commers)
I repeat, what is the relevance?
Dek Mat, did i anywhere state that the defamation suit was unjustifiable? To me, it is, but that is irrelevant to the my reply to mamak’s question.
And Mat Merah your question “does the defamation suit mean that the gment is clamping down” is not clear either. “Clamping down” on what, pray tell Mat Merah? And by asking me that question, which part of my post were u responding to?
Now, dek Mat, asking me to provide concrete proof of evidence that the political masters of the paper is not consulted or at least notified before taking the legal action, is disingenuous. I cant tell u the names of the insiders ( in the legal dept)without exposing who they are, can I?And even if i can, u can always say that it has to be verified by the court first or I am creating characters.(n maybe later, i have to provide my IC no, EPF and socso accounts too)
Anyway Dek Mat have u heard of the aphorism “absent of proof does not mean proof of absence?”
For example, we all know that one major cause of accidents is sleepiness, yet there is hardly any concrete statistical evidence to support it!Go ahead check! U know why? Because no one writes a polis report admitting it was his sleepiness that caused the accident. But we know it happens.
Similarly, there is no way i can prove whether the president of ARMNO gave his blessings or not ( or not at least, on a blog, without getting me into potential trouble). But then again, neither can u prove that he didn’t, can you Dek Mat?
Now, this does not mean we should believe every rumour on the matter. Nevertheless, we can make certain INFERANCES, which are very reasonable and matured
For instance, regardless, of what exactly is the nature of ARMNO’s stake in strait times, in the minds of many, it is a goment controlled organization. Hence any legal action taken by straits time, especially when directed to critics with a popular following, will not just be seen as a legal issue per se but will have a political dimension to it.
That being the case, any action taken by the management of straits times which has political ramifications, will require the consent of its political masters or at least their proxies on the Board of Directors(BOD). At the very least, the relevant political masters will have to be notified.
Thus, by the fact that the legal papers has already been sent to Rok n Jep, this means ARMNO thru the BOD, has oredi been notified and gave its tacit approval.
Hence, to say that the Gorment thru ARMNO is INVOLVED, at least tacitly, by default, is a making a very reasonable statement, Dek Mat.
Actually, while suing someone and dragging the company’s name, it is normal for the management of most large companies to notify the major shareholders thru its BOD. ( some companies even have it on thier MOA)This is especially more true, if the action taken by the management, will attract a lot of public attention or scrutiny.
So until, there are public statements saying that the BOD of Straits Times was not notified or didnt gave its consent to the legal action, i and others like me, base on what is conventional, will have basis to assume that they gave their tacit approval.
More basis at least, based on the political ramifications of the legal action, than assuming otherwise.
Hence to reply to the Mamaks original question ,this is why we cannot complely disassociate the gorment from the strait times legal action.
PS-For ease of referance, Mamaks query was this:
“ONE WONDERS HOW U C THE HAND OF THE GOVERMENT IN THIS ONE?
PSS- Sibapati, some accuse u people of actually being part of the 4th flr network. I don’t know and basically I don’t care that much. So don’t behave as if you are, by asking me to provide anything that can land me in trouble legally. No, its not that I’m scared of truth, but I simply cant afford the hassle- I am a single parent n dependent on me are my kids and my parents. As it is, I cant even respond to u as fast as would like. I have to make ends meet. Plus I don’t have a computer at home.
As such, I hope u n the other readers understand why I need to use word like ARMNO or Gorment- I simply cant afford to take even the smallest of chances with the law.
PSS- SHEIKH, pls allow my replies to Myedeen, dek Mat, Mat Merah ect-etc. I bukan nak bikin kacau, tapi cuma mahu menjawab apa yang mereka tujukan kpd saya. Saya rasa ia adil utk berbuat demikian. Nak jawab lebih awal tapi takda kesempatan. Terima Kasih
Anyway, in case Dek Mat and Mat Merah, don’t understand my above explanation, this is my simplified version
Dear Mat Merah dan Dek Mat of Sibapati,
My first response was to Mydeen statement when he wrote following:
“ONE WONDERS HOW U C THE HAND OF THE GOVERNMENT IN THIS ONE?”
To me, the authorities are involved simply because Strait Times is a govermnt controlled media. In other words the involvement is by default, at the very least. It is owned by the govmnt and acts as the authorities main agent of propaganda. U can contest this, its up to u SIBERPATI, but I leave it to the other readers whether or not to believe me, when I say Straits Times is Gorment/ARMNO controlled. They can check the relevant sources.
Anyway, since in the eyes of the public, Strait Times is so closely associated with govmnt , if the management drags the name of the company when taking legal action that bears political ramifications, then it would at least be with the passive compliance, if not the active cooperation of the owners (ARMNO), who have a golden share. At the very least, the management of Straits Times would need to notify the major owners ( the most important being ARMNO) thru their proxies on the BOD.
So, u cant divorce entirely the govment’s hand from Strait Times legal action on Rok and Jep.
Can I show any proof? No I cant- not without having the potential of being suck into a legal mess
By the same token, can Dek Mat show proof that the govmnt is not involved?
Can he prove that the the management of Straits Times still went ahead with the legal action WITHOUT notifying or gaining the consent of the BOD ?
If the BOD were not consulted then they have to publicly say it. Until then, their silence must be read as tacit compliance to their own company’s legal course of action( but highly doubtful. AKJ in his blog commented that Rok and Jep knew about it since last week. If they knew, then its highly improbable that the BOD of the company itself or at least some of its members didn’t know about it all. Possible but highly improbable)
PS- TO ALL -Often, questions that are raised by issues like this can never satisfactorily be backed by hard evidence while it is unfolding. It is the nature of the situation. Sometimes its because of wanting to avoid legal complications and sometimes certain sources must remain anonymous. It can only be seen as hard cold facts after it has been resolved with finality. Even then it can still be subjected to interpretation.
Nonetheless, we still have the option of looking at the issue, based on past experience, public knowledge and inferences. It may not be hard cold evidence but its also not what Dek Mat deems “ wild conjecture” either.
PPS- To Myedeen, Mat Merah and Dek Mat.
U people are all from the Siberpati Malaysia. Can u pls next time just send one response, using the name of whomever the reply or statement was directed to? Pls lah. U guys are each others friens, if not in reality, the same person, so stop giving the visual impression when responding that since there are at least 3 replies, one from each one of you, hence 3 people are supporting your opinion when in actuality you are just one party.
Kalau tidak macam pengundi hantu
To Mamak Myedeen, Jan 18th 719pm,
I refer to ur comment:
“Also, Mat Rempit Hubris, if mamak remembers correctly, Jeff Ooi hosts his blog server locally at Jaring. And if mamak further remembers correctly, then the gomen also got golden share in Jaring or MIMOS. So indirectly, the gomen is also supporting Jeff Ooi all this while and had a hand in it la.
Can that be true ?”
Mamak, we all know that the government has been an IT supporter for a long time. So not only does the govermnt support jeff ooi in having a blog but it also supports all Malaysian who want to set up blogs.BUT that doesn’t mean they agree or support with what is WRITTEN ON THE BLOGS
The nature of your question seems to suggest that u have been drinking todi instead of the tarik mamak, Mamak. Mabuk pun virtual kah?Test skit boleh?
As such I’ll provide u another example. The government gives licences to newspapers to publish and distribute. This includes Harakah. But does that mean the government agrees with Harakah’s contents?
So Myeedeen, what’s ur point ?Tell me when the todi’s( toady?) side effects r over, ok mamak?J
To me, the NaSTy institution would have more to lose than Rocky or Jeff commercially. Unless they are trying to do more for government bailout.
Since when does doing a shoddy job and cut n paste artist job gets to be glorified? It would seem that if they do not take legal action, they would have admitted to the allegation without a fight. Now, having taken the legal action, it remains to be seen how credible they are in understanding the cyber perspective of information flow. These bunch of people are from the old school of printing press. Judging from the action, they seem desperate.
Anyway, our cyber law hasn’t seen real enforcement yet even though they were put in place almost a decade ago. And they were also ‘adopted’ from UK laws.
I would like to see how credible these lawyers are in cyber territory.
Thank you Mat Rempit Hubris for the kind explanation, not once but twice to maximise usage of your internet time.
I do understand your points but as I keep pointing out, it is not the government that is executing this action, it is a private organisation whose shareholders might include parties in the coalition that is running the government of the day, so to speak.
We are splitting hairs and debating semantics here. The point is, really, abou the rights of all, the ones who feel defamed and those who feel they have done no wrong.
So let the courts decide that. Any conjecture on whether the government of the day is involved remains that, conjecture.
And that is what we are trying to point out.
Have a good day now!
Boikot! Boikot!
Target the advertisers …..
To Mat Merah ,
Actually as it stands, the gormen( ARMNO)thru its “golden share” in staight times is involved.There is no doubt about that.
The question is just whether the involvement is passive or active- that is whether its by default and fait accompli( ie, tacit approval) or by active directive.
As it stands, until the gormen thru the BOD of straight Times states otherwise and distance itself, this is not conjecture or playing games of semantics.
It is simply the logic of the situation.
PS- Thank u for wishing me a good day. Mine was good, though a bit hectic- it would be complete kalau kena teh mamak . Anyway, how was yours?
So now its the government with ARMNO in brackets eh? With a golden share to boot?
Will take your word for it.
Sounds like the Ministry of Finance’s Golden Share in Malaysia Airlines a long time ago. Now that is really the government with a golden share.
But my beef is that I just hate it when people interchange government and party names to mean the same thing. I rather them just call it the Abdullah Administration.
Interesting to see whether this action is with the active or passive involvment of the administration.
My day is as always, great!
To the jokers of Siberpati,
Mat Merah(436pm),
Its up to u, to like or not like the way i refer to people or entity’s.U can even have “beef” with the spelling. That’s ur right. U want to call it the Abdullah Administration u go ahead ok?
Myself, i dont eat beef, so I dont have any beef with the way u write or spell
Like i said before, i cant risk even the most remote possibility of getting entangle in a legal quagmire- my kids dont have a mother and its my turn to take care of my parents like they took care of me while i was growing up.
I’d hope u’d understand, but if u dont, it’s ok. I’m use to political parties being inhumane..just thought u being a cyber one, u’d be differant.
Sorry my fault for making optimistic assumptions.
To Dek Mat ( 453pm),
I am refering to ur following sentence or 2,
“Aik How come I cannot defend my brother Mydeen when you guys all can defend Jeff and Rocky under Bloggers United.. Not fair la like this, we are practising free speech right? So you cannot impede on my rights to speak my mind either… wah tak kan nak jadi fascists!?”
Quit fibbing Dek Mat.
When i ask u jokers from SIBEPATI, to refrain from writing like 3 entities, it was just that, a request, nothing more. Saya bukan muda, scrolling up and down looking at three response and more when everything can be compile into one, is taxing on my old retina’s! That’s all.
I make a simple request, and u insinuate that Im a fasist? Kau paham ke maksudnya Dek Mat?Your abang Mat Merah tu( refer above para), has issues even with my style of writing, doesnt that sound more like a a fasist to u?
So go ahead, can call me fasist, but just make sure u call Mat Merah the same lah. For the sake of fairness and not appering like a hypocrite if nothing else
I know its hard but u can try
Btw again pls stick to reponding to only what i write.
So pleses tell me how u came up with sentence : “Aik How come I cannot defend my brother Mydeen when you guys all can defend Jeff and Rocky under Bloggers United”
I dare u Dek Mat, show me one sentence that I Mat Rempit Hubris wrote that said i’m under Bloggers United!Just show me one! That’s all
N if u cant , be honourable an apologize. Its the right and manly thing to do.
Like u said there’s nothing wrong with a little balance, but its wrong for u to accuse me of participating on something that I did not do. Its call lying. Agreed?
PS- Since u people have the charecteristic of ARMNO, like fibbing and intolerance, I think u should also have a similar name..How about HEAD-NO? Chun tak?
Thank u Mat Rempit Hubris. U nailed it all what me and the few blogger friends wanted to say. Very well put too, doubt if any of us (individually or collectively), could have done any better.
Mat Merah!
Nice reading your post- u seem to be a fair minded and reasonably inteligent too! May I ask Mighty Mat Merah, art thou the leader of the Unholy Trinity of the Siba Pati coalition?
From the matuarity of thy statements, and from the measured tones of thy dictates, I can only presume so!Logic demands that there is no other conclusion!U maybe humble and deny it, but the truth of thy leadershp qualities, shines like a beacon of hope on a crest of hill, in the barren wastelands of HEAD-NO!
I want to bayar ufti to thee! And yes, thank you! The teh tarik has indeed lifted my spirits, propelled it to unforseen hights!
May the name Mighty Mat Merah or 3M be immortalise in posterity! May his wisdom forever reside in the collective consciousness of the human psyche and guide us in our attempts to navigate the travails of our existance !
Mighty Mat Merah!! Let it be know, by friend and foe alike, far and near, that the day he departs his corpreal shell, he will die immortal!
Mighty Mat Merah! 3M! 1 M lagi hebat drp DrM, yang cuma 2M!
I, Mat Rempit Hubris, 21 gun salute U!( beat that Anwar! )
That was my tribute to Mat Merah for being polite.
To Bloggers United,
Thank u for thanking me. But in truth u are too polite- I’m sure u and the other bloggers could have done a far superior job, but just cudnt be botherd! After all, to demonstrate the fraility behind the word games of sibapati was greatly facilitated by the quality of their rejoinders!
Thus, u should actually be thanking them!hahaha
Cheers bro/sis, luv u guys too
Mat Rempit Hubris,
Thank you for responding to the ‘Simp*sons* and I hope it got rid of that other ‘virus’ you had at Rocky’s.
These ’simpsons’ seems to be downplaying the entire issue on R/JO and came out with their high falooting definition of democracy, freedom of speech and of course,…whatever.
Let’s get down to the nitty gritty.
Anyone of you have been to ‘Simp’ blogsite.
Yes or No will show you one obvious conclusion.
There’s nothing going on there.
Gettit?
Good stuff guys! Kita mesti ajar mereka cukup2!
Bloggers United!
It’s beautiful day in Kuala Lumpur!
But there’s no reply from Mat Rempit Hubris.. oh well..
After all quality time with family is most important yes?
Have a great weekend people!
aik url cannot put in the comments detail anymore ah Sheih?
for those who want to know who we are we are in the Sheih’s Blogroll under Siber Party of Malaysia (M)
sipm.blogspot.com
Speaking of equal rights though, it does also seem that many bloggers do not practice what they preach about freedom of speech. Looks like they can only handle it when it supports their worldview, and not dissenting views. SiPM’s members have had their comments on some blogs censored before. The trend continues today on Kickdefella’s blog. While we still find his movie poster parodies really funny and worthy of being promoted, we however think that Kickdefella went overboard and hypocritical when he has banned all comments from Mat Merah, Dek Mat and Mydeen as long as the comments contain a URL link to sipm.blogspot.com. Looks like freedom of speech is fine only as long as it coincides with the speech of the freedom fighters.
Cakap tak serupa bikin.
Enough said.
Slowly but surely, we are now seeing their true colours.
[...] Kickdefella: In Rocky We Trust [...]
Dear readers,
I would like to refer to Mamak Myedeen & Mat Merah ’s followong sentences:
1.”Cakap tak srupa bikin.enuf said”
2.”Speaking of equal rights though, it does also seem that many bloggers do not practice what they preach about freedom of speech. Looks like they can only handle it when it supports their worldview, and not dissenting views.”
3.”Kickdefella went overboard and hypocritical when he has banned all comments from Mat Merah, Dek Mat and Mydeen as long as the comments contain a URL link to sipm.blogspot.com. Looks like freedom of speech is fine only as long as it coincides with the speech of the freedom fighters.”
Mamak myedeen, in the 80 over comments above u, Mat Merah and Dek Mat have posted many comments which diverge from Kickdefella’s position, especially in your very hollow arguments with Mat Rempit.
So what freedom is Kickdefella denying u ?
I myself had some comments erased- but that to me is the prerogrative of kickdefella.Its Sheikh’s blog after all, and his freedom to set the rules of engagement superseed’s my own while posting comments.
That’s normal and natural
Just like the fact that the internet does not operate in a legal vacume,and is subjected to the laws of the land, a fact u people from siba pati like to remind us, in th same vein, visitors of shieks’s site are also subjected to his athority to what can and cannot be done.
He dosent even have to claerly state what those limitations are, its his blog and thus its his call.
When a person goes to somebody’s house he is subjected to certain norms which the house owner sets.
Anyway, for u Mamak mydeen to say “Looks like freedom of speech is fine only as long as it coincides with the speech of the freedom fighters” after Sibapati is allowed to make so many weak dissenting views especially in ur excahange with Mat Rempit, is HYPOCRITICAL and UNGRATEFUL!
So grow up, and stop whinig will u?If u feels so offended by Kickdefella, then u dont have to visit his bloglah
After all, u have ur own blog- so u can always post comments and later answer them- after all there’s quite a few of u to around
To Mat Rempit,
Thanks for exposing the shallowness of their arguments.I also agree that Deka Mat should have been upfront and appologize to u instead of being evasive and “fibbing” about it
I hope the 3 stooges realize that having the last say on the matter in no way reflects the strength of their position rather it just reflects their immaturity.After all, its not the last say that matters but rather the quality of what was said! and yours Mat rempit say’s it all!
Akedami monstersia // Jan 21st 2007 at 10:24 am
….I hope the 3 stooges realize that having the last say on the matter in no way reflects the strength of their position rather it just reflects their immaturity.After all, its not the last say that matters but rather the quality of what was said! and yours Mat rempit say’s it all!
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Hear! Hear!!
Well said.
I second that.
To my friend from Sibepati,
Yes, I put you guys under the spam category. My action is not disregard of your freedom of speech but because I found you disregard of others freedom of speech. As I already informed you, this blog is not about defending one ideology.
You have used this blog to hit on other commentars just because they do not agree with you. You have used this blog to spread contagious unfriendly virus. I cannot let my blog turn into free for all.
I have in the past spam some commenters for hitting Monsterball. Yes I do come into Monsterball’s defends more than once. The reason is he has the right to say what he said. Just because he said different things doesn’t mean he is wrong. It is always good to hear, it is always good to comment on others but respect them. I do put Monsterball on spam few times too because he has induge into personal war in my blog. So, lets be civilize and be fair. Lets other speak their mind and lets listen. Lets let other too listen to what we have to say. Do not hit each other. Please. I have enough war in few front. I do not need one in my own backyard.
Akademi monsterasia,
When you say, “Mamak myedeen, in the 80 over comments above u, Mat Merah and Dek Mat have posted many comments which diverge from Kickdefella’s position, especially in your very hollow arguments with Mat Rempit.“, you’ve just confirmed what we said when we get banned because our views are divergent from yours and that of most of the commentors here, including the blog owner. Thank you for reiterating our assertion that views which are not in line with the speech of the freedom fighters is not welcome.
You also say, “Its Sheikh’s blog after all, and his freedom to set the rules of engagement superseed’s my own while posting comments.
[...]
He dosent even have to claerly state what those limitations are, its his blog and thus its his call.”
This further reiterates Mydeen’s statement. The defenders of free speech cannot handle it, and at the same time will restrict free speech if it doesnt agree with them. Mydeen, Dek Mat and Mat Merah have not been vulgar or made insinuations. We’ve been consistent in asking what of the rights of an aggrieved party to sue for defamation.
However, the response from our detractors has not been to debate with us but rather to resort to name-calling, insults and derogatory statements. This illuminates the maturity and the lack of intelligent response when debating with us and is a reflection of the commentors, and perhaps the country at large.
Don’t worry though, SiPM will not sue. We don’t believe in that either.
Mamak Myedeen,
Though ur response was directed at m, I have to ask are you talking to me?
“When you say, “Mamak myedeen, in the 80 over comments above u, Mat Merah and Dek Mat have posted many comments which diverge from Kickdefella’s position, especially in your very hollow arguments with Mat Rempit.“, you’ve just confirmed what we said when we get banned because our views are divergent from yours and that of most of the commentors here, including the blog owner. Thank you for reiterating our assertion that views which are not in line with the speech of the freedom fighters is not welcome.”
DEAR READERS,
Do u think that our friends from Sibepati has been denied their right to speak?
I think its fair for me to say that after making more than 12 comments not included the one’s that have been erased or didnt get thru, our friends from Sibepati has used their freedom to air their views more than anyone else.
Dont u think its unfair and untrue for them to say that their freedom has been denied?What do u think?
I even say they are lying when they say that- that is, they are delibrately trying to change the subject away from the fact that their opinions have been exposed as shallow by our friend Mat Rempit.
I am willing to be corrected of course.
Mamak Myedeen,
No one is denying you folks from Sibepati your right of free speech.
The fact that u manage to reply to me and in the prosses make unfair comments about how the other commenters are intolerant, is testomony that no one is denying u ur right of free speech.
Its not your right to say your opinions which is the issue.
Its the quality of what u say or rather the lack of it, that is the issue.
Since, that has been proven s